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Posted - 2012.05.20 06:29:00 -
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Get rid of local, all secs. It fixes almost everything. You would have to work to locate a target. You would have to work to avoid a target. There would be risk in high sec. There would be risk in all secs.
Freighters could be caught during a war dec. Freighters could get through during a war dec.
You would still have Concord retaliation in high sec. You could still be camped though if you break the camp it would be harder to hunt you down. Certainly no worse that what we have now but with compelling gameplay.
It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.
It would make neutral alts almost irrelevant. Though not 100%. It would certainly make playing with one account a lot less of a disadvantage. Sure you might lose a few alt account subs, but you would gain many more subs by having more compelling gameplay. What good is a scout profession when they're revealed as soon as they enter system?
The changes the expansion are bringing aren't going to revitalize low sec or null sec and its certainly not going to promote or fuel war. Quite the opposite.
The devs and the playerbase talk a lot about EVE being hardcore, but as of yet i'm not really seeing the hardcore aspect to the game.
The game is a boring campfest. Removing local removes that to a large degree.
To my ultra Orthodox carebear players, uncle Caliphy isn't throwing you under the bus. The threats you worry about occuring with this change would actually be resolvable by a merc corporation. If you are decced and you hire a merc the merc cannot sneak up on the enemy with everything displayed for them. They may be able to make your tormentors life a little more difficult but in most cases can't force a fight under those conditions. With no local they could. If you are camped by a griefdec and you hire a reasonably sized merc to help you the griefer will never see them coming. It's win/win.
Even null entry points would be camped far less. Lets see the thirty man bubble camp consistently do it when a 150 man roaming gang warps in on them and they never see it coming.
Local is holding EVE back. Period. Get rid of it and let EVE become great. |
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Posted - 2012.05.20 06:36:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.
Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets. Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks.
Then nerf bombs. Change them. Make them super powerful torpedoes that can only hit capitals. It would be a small sacrifice, and im a dedicated cloaky kind of player, for the greater good of the game.
But also remember that even if that were the case no local means that for that to occur a scouting operation would have had to occured as well. |
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:12:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:this thread again worded what looks like the same old one that got squashed cause some idiot has no idea how to read the lore and why it is there and it is not in WHs?
Please biomass the toon now and save yourself the headaches down the road
Lore lol. The games a snoozefest. |
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:02:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:I understand completely
And as my current wartarget you sat on a gate two jumps from me while you obvious alt lolled around trying to find me.
The Vindy was not bad but you should rethink the fitting on the tengu.
And as you are currently docked up in a station as im missioning i started to wonder if you will ever come out to play.
And you wardec me my Sociopathic friend
Yeah right. You logged out all yesterday. Talk is cheap sir. Your killboard shows exactly what you're made of. But don't you worry my killers aren't going to let up. I'll be logged in 23/7 for the duration of us hunting you. Welcome to EVE offline. You tell the story yourself, we were coming after you. |
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:38:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Luv2chat in local
Good point, so take the OP instead as "showing up in local completely voluntary for all secs". |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 10:07:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Maybe you have not heard there OP that there is a reason for the local. partly due to what many have said so i keep this simple for you seeing you need it 1> Each system is connected to a stargate unless you are in a WormHole 2> Stargates connect you to the local communication system...ie local 3> Worhmholes have no stargate.
get the picture. removal of local will not happen
You seem unsure. Find it necessary to project reaffirmation? I think the devs are running out of ideas for compelling gameplay features. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 16:34:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:I understand completely
And as my current wartarget you sat on a gate two jumps from me while you obvious alt lolled around trying to find me.
The Vindy was not bad but you should rethink the fitting on the tengu.
And as you are currently docked up in a station as im missioning i started to wonder if you will ever come out to play.
And you wardec me my Sociopathic friend Yeah right. You logged out all yesterday. Talk is cheap sir. Your killboard shows exactly what you're made of. But don't you worry my killers aren't going to let up. I'll be logged in 23/7 for the duration of us hunting you. Welcome to EVE offline. You tell the story yourself, we were coming after you. Aside from you, i've not seen one member log on from your 8 man alliance. You're by yourself man, you can't mission in peace no more. I know it sucks. You are one complete baddass and its scary to think that im being stalked by a self diagnosed Sociopath. So i picked a random highsec system when the deck started and you have sat in a station in that system for 23 hours a day ever since. You really should run a trace on me and you would quickly know that i operate almost entirely in lowsec which is where i am now. I would fight you but you just sit logged into a highsec system all day. Come to lowsec and dont worry i let everyone know that you are a sociopath. Im sure that they will give you the respect you deserve.
Karn we know where you are. Your ability to equip a cloak and sit in a 0.4 isn't impressive. We can do it to. But here is where our plan differs from your idea of how are plan should be. We know you wanjt to mission in High sec. And we know sooner or later you will become numb to our presence. Even if it takes months. And it will be that one time when you become numb that you will pay a heavy price and the video will be posted endlessly everytime you post as a tribute to your incessant trashtalk.
That being said. We know where we stand and we really have nothing to discuss. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:57:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.
Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets. Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks. Then nerf bombs. Change them. Make them super powerful torpedoes that can only hit capitals... We went from "it fixes almost everything" to "ok, maybe it doesn't" pretty quickly. That's not a good sign.
Not even. Because bombs dont have to be changed one bit. Nothing A stated is any different from how it is now. But I didn't feel like arguing about 1 point that sidetracks an entire paragraph. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:07:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Why dont you grow some balls and come out and fight me and you dont even have to bring all of your friends with you
Never. You have a destiny with a most unfair gank. There will no 1v1s, no even odds and no good sportsmanship. Go play checkers chump. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Has anyone quoted Betty White yet?
No, I don't think so. Care to enlighten us? |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Tippia wrote:Has anyone quoted Betty White yet? No, I don't think so. Care to enlighten us? GÇ£Why do people say GÇÿgrow some ballsGÇÖ? Balls are weak and sensitive. If you wanna be tough, grow a vagina. Those things can take a pounding.GÇ¥
Hahahahaha that's funny! |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:21:00 -
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veritas primus wrote:**Changes Implemented**
**In the News today CCP folds up shop, player base fell to an all time low of 4000 griefers, thanks for the fish"
Prove it. You have an agenda and a strawman, thats about it. I could start rallying people who want local gone but I don't. The argument stands on its own. If no real improvement comes i'll vote with my wallet. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:45:00 -
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Duvida wrote:So, what is keeping you from W-space?
Needing a POS. The logistics. The fact that your targets are limited to what comes into the wormhole to see the effect. No access to markets. No access to missions. Needing more than self online to do anything. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:12:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: This is not a thread about AFK Cloaking it is a thread about removing Local. As in you can move cloak fleets into Sanctums and Belts and 1 Volley people with no effort and no real chance of a defense.
That is my problem with removing local. Cloaks become a 99% Victory button against solo Null Sec PvE.
Working as intended. Whats the opposite? You never die to a fleet because you are told where they are each and every time you participate in an activity. Its garbage gameplay. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:20:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: Compared to you always die it is way better then the opposite and it would be garbage gameplay.
I am not saying don't remove local, I am saying make a counter to cloaks.
I'm not against that. But the counter would be there already. Sure there would be ambushes, thats good gameplay, but you wouldn't be visible in local. So the cloaker would have to be as patient as you were at determining whether an area was safe or not.
The 5 cloaker ambush at an anom would also risk having a 10 cloaker ambush reveal right near them. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:26:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: I'm not against that. But the counter would be there already. Sure there would be ambushes, thats good gameplay, but you wouldn't be visible in local. So the cloaker would have to be as patient as you were at determining whether an area was safe or not.
No they wouldn't really. Just warp to 2 or three points in the system and run a D-Scan then check the Sanctums, Havens and Belts. Can be done in three-five minutes. Next Systems 0 threat to getting detected. At least with Local you know 8 or 9 guys are in the area. Without it you are chum with 0 chance of rescue and they warp off home free. Making Cloak Ships appear on the D-Scan with an unknown ship tag is at least a start in a localess environment.
No it wouldnt. It would mean completely negating the purpose of removing local to begin with. The bear wants safety in essence. A way to determine whether anyone is there whatsoever so they can avoid the danger completely. That's what needs fixing. Guarenteed safety. It needs to go. A destroyer that can perhaps track a cloaked object with reasonable bad efficiency, not impossible, but not auto, thats acceptable. Click a dscan and know whether the system is safe or not, no. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:29:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: If no real improvement comes i'll vote with my wallet. Not soon enough. Apparently OP knows jack about wormholes. You have access to markets every day - and solo play is perfectly feasible - just takes a tiny bit of effort.
Not without logistics. If it were that great and oh so easy everyone would be there but their not and it isn't. Thanks for your opinion though. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:33:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: No it wouldnt. It would mean completely negating the purpose of removing local to begin with. The bear wants safety in essence. A way to determine whether anyone is there whatsoever so they can avoid the danger completely. That's what needs fixing. Guarenteed safety. It needs to go.
But you can not replace it with guaranteed destruction. Besides the fact that you are supposed to secure that space for a semblance of safety you can not make it impossible to defend yourself or escape or PvE down their will empty out and you need that to fund your personal / corp warfleet and help pay for sov. I would rather have what we have now then no local and no change to Cov Ops.
Guarenteed safety is guarenteed when you know something is out there. Guarenteed destruction is a farce. There may not be anything there, hence no guarentee, and whats there you may be able to kill. Again no guarenteed destruction. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:38:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: Guarenteed destruction is a farce. There may not be anything there, hence no guarentee, and whats there you may be able to kill. Again no guarenteed destruction. As long as you aren't evading CONCORD. Come to think of it, CONCORD should shout in local when they blow someone up.
Fair point, that is a form of guarenteed destruction. |
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:43:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: I would rather have what we have now then no local and no change to Cov Ops.
Guarenteed safety is guarenteed when you know something is out there. Guarenteed destruction is a farce. There may not be anything there, hence no guarenteed destruction, and whats there you may be able to kill. Again no guarenteed destruction. Sure not completely but Horseshoes and Hand Grenades are enough. You are not guaranteed a kill but you can pop most Sanctum and belt ratting Battleships before help in D-Scan Range can arrive. Simple fact is that this would be a disaster compared to a current system most people are relatively happy with.
People aren't happy with the current system. Hence im here posting why i'm not. You are hence your here. You aren't representing the majority and I won't claim to do so either. The particular ship type or its purpose in being there is irrelevant to the core gameplay of EVE needing a change to make it more compelling. Right now in this game not a single soul should die unless they decide to. That's not hardcore. Thats inane. |
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Posted - 2012.05.23 02:48:00 -
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Bump for discussion and because a gui doesn't make camping any less tedious of an activity in a "hardcore" game. Click , shift click, bah. All trivial sh!t when at the core of the game stealth is an impossibility and death is completely voluntary. |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:21:00 -
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Another boring day of EVE. Doesn't appear many are logged on after releasing a new expansion. I don't think its d3 either. I think its because the game is getting tired and the expansions are mediocre. This last one gave us new missile graphics and a fail corp mercy button. I know its free but you should pay us for sticking around in game so you can keep up the appearance x-thousand of players are playing. In reality most of them are afk in station.
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:59:00 -
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Phill Esteen wrote:this thread isn't really about local, is it?
maybe you and Karn should consider marital counselling
Karn is irrelevant to the purpose. Killing him won't shut him up, its in his genetic makeup to talk crap while anonymous. He does on the forums what he hasn't been able to do in life. That being said local makes every single attempt at engagement a nauseating campfest. My corp wardecs for sport and local makes the process inane. Especially when the game is "hardcore pvp". Its fraudulent, honestly. It's anything but.
Each kill on my killboard over the last few months came from painstaking amounts of tedium. Unnecessary camping that is purely do to a braindead implementation of local chat. I want it changed as do many people in EVE. It is strangling the life out of the game. |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:59:00 -
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Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:why not make eve into a single player game while your at it??
seriously move into a worm hole... and stop posting about removing local....
Not a chance in hell. I pay my 15 bucks like the rest of the playerbase and im going to voice my opinion. I believe the rules are a once a day bump per topic, right? So once per day im going to bring the issue I care about to the forefront.
And if you don't like it well thats just too bad. You (the keep local at all cost crowd) won't be silencing this issue any longer. |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:09:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Local should be killed off in Null space only.
It is meant to be a dangerous place. At the moment it's just boring. Liven it up and get rid of Local.
No it needs to be removed in all secs. Null is challenging enough and to remove it only there would make high sec too lucrative.
And local breaks many of the things EVE boasts as features. From piracy to war, to stealth and freighting.
Local makes the entire player versus player experience, defensive and offensive, a boring & mediocre campfest. |
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Frying Doom wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Local should be killed off in Null space only.
It is meant to be a dangerous place. At the moment it's just boring. Liven it up and get rid of Local. No it needs to be removed in all secs. Null is challenging enough and to remove it only there would make high sec too lucrative. And local breaks many of the things EVE boasts as features. From piracy to war, to stealth and freighting. Removing from hi-sec will only be helpful if you are at war with someone. If your looking to gank someone they cant tell your there till its too late and null is hugely profitable as it is.
Dying is a feature of EVE. You are not meant to choose whether you die in each and every circumstance in game. I assure you almost everyone would choose to abstain. So what happens is what we have here. One side of a war eventually succumbs to pure boredom and takes a chance. Because up until absolute boredom sets in the game is a campfest.
Long duration griefdecs exist in large part because it takes EONS to kill anyone with local ever present.
Ive got level 5 cloaking trained and do you know in not one situation of our wars have I ever had a real use for it. Killing someone comes down to camping a system or two out and praying they don't have a neutral alt and that the gate you camp is the one they come charging through. That's it. The reverse of that being null, where no one does anything unless they have a blob large enough to lower the likelyhood of running into a bigger blob or are hot dropping. Perhaps very large alliances have a slightly different experience but by and large thats EVEs pvp with local.
And if removing hisec local will only help in a war than the obvious reverse of that statement is that removing hisec local will only hinder you during a war. Why should you get free intelligence? |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:45:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: And if removing hisec local will only help in a war than the obvious reverse of that statement is that removing hisec local will only hinder you during a war. Why should you get free intelligence?
My main point is the basis of the sec status as how it was originally set up Hi-sec = Safest Lo-sec = less safe Null sec = Dangerous and lawless Wormholes = Insanely dangerous. Any alterations to the system should follow this pattern. But I do agree wars are boring as hell and with the new ability to call in an infinite number of allies to help the defenders will probably become rare.
Safest is relative, Concord doesn't prevent only punish. Removing local wouldn't change a thing about hisec outside of knowing each and every time when to undock and when to camp up when dealing with a hostile faction. You would actually have a better chance of escape and avoiding the attacker because they would have to actively hunt you down in system. That requires a dedicated scanning ship and depending on the amount of people in the system a relatively long period of time.
You would also see a drastic cutback in the average ship sized used in combat due to the increased risk of the unknown by each party. |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 14:41:00 -
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Merovee wrote:I don't Know. Playing since 03 maybe has something to do with it. But I just move around as I please in Hi and low without a care in the world. Sure I scout with alts check the maps and know where the hop spots are but that's from playing the game of hard knocks. All I'm saying the gank squads are lazy bunch and are easy avoided with a little effort.
Then losing local wouldn't be a big issue to you. Right? Good. Because its a real big issue to just about every "feature" in this game.
Covert Ops, Black Ops, Hauling freight, General war. Piracy, Invasion, Defense, Mining, so on and so forth. |
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Just got off the batphone with "Chaos Theory" and "Emergent Gameplay". They fully support getting rid of local. They are not pleased and have unsubbed. |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 21:09:00 -
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Removing local is a two way street. You won't be present either. Sure, you'll have to turn off your bots and actually play but you should be doing that anyway. |
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You quoted the original post to post a worthless 4 word post and im incompetent? Thanks for the bump I guess, but quote spam makes baby Jesus cry. |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 21:19:00 -
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bongsmoke wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:This OP is filled with "no" and seasoned with "unsubstantiated fail".
Grow some balls.
Biomass yourself. This Shame soo many threads like this one are full of pure fail.
Like his killboard, lol. |
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Look at all the terribaddies squirming when they have their easy mode questioned. The same few posters with sandy vaginas repeating the same vacuous diatribe.
Look it up, cretins.
I do appreciate you guys giving my words their due attention. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Look at all the terribaddies squirming when they have their easy mode questioned. The same few posters with sandy vaginas repeating the same vacuous diatribe.
Look it up, cretins.
I do appreciate you guys giving my words their due attention. Sounds like you need to undock about it.
Keep on believing Karn if you want. If I tell you exactly how much of a fail candyass pansy you are when you're in a 8000 man alliance what on earth makes you think Karn could ever put fear into me. You are a silly lemming. |
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:It never ceases to amaze me the people in this game that can't ever seem to be satisfied with finding things to kill. Now we have a new term "Prey", and "Predators" lol Sounds a little like child p0rn to me, but who am I, just an observer in this battle of the royal about who should have the advantage over who. Let me recant a very important fact about EvE to all the Predators Here. There happens to be a very large sect of family, and others that play eve more for social impact of the game, than anything else. Friends that gather to Mine, run Missions, Incursions and the such. These people are interested because they can build things, build an empire so to speak, visit with there friends, and have fun. There really have no interest at all in getting ganked, or destroyed, or even fighting. Just having there good time in there own way. OK, you may think it's lame, But what about em. Bottom line is this, there are other games, and maybe, just maybe, that's where they belong? I wonder how CCP would really feel, if they did succeed in making virtually all of the space in the game so dangerous for these type of players, that they simply up and moved on to other things, other games, where they can find something they like. My guess, CCP might be disappointed in the results. I'm certain it would result in major lost subscriptions. I would guess it wouldn't be the type players that just ganked some poor unsuspecting fools freighter with everything they own in the game. That end up selling all there stuff and buying plexes with the isk to play on. But the players they will most likely loose are the fools with the freighter that got destroyed, that actually paid for his subscription with a credit card. I've seen it, they basically say screw this and never come back to the game. Good riddance I guess. I personally don't think CCP wants this, even if you do.. Bottom line, there are an over abundance of things to kill in the land of EvE, If you can't find them, your first step should be to look in a mirror. Yes, we can always go find random pvp. But thats just random. The issue with local is targeted pvp and its amateur inhibition of it. CCP will leave local alone, it's there for a purpose, and it serves it well. Simple fact is if CCP changed it, I'm certain not even they feel warm and fuzzy about the consequences. PS. Thought I would add my post for your viewing pleasure
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Keep on believing Karn if you want. If I tell you exactly how much of a fail candyass pansy you are when you're in a 8000 man alliance what on earth makes you think Karn could ever put fear into me. You are a silly lemming. You're the one who has absolutely no kills outside of hisec, and wants to remove local to make it even easier to gank people (as if it was impossible now; it isn't), and is at least providing no outward clue as to whether you've put any thought whatsoever into what the impact will be for all groups other than the ganker.
Why would I go to nullsec with 12 people? Nullsec is just the areas you can declare sovereignty in. Its not the "pvp" zone in EVE. I have zero reason to ever go out there and contribute to the success of an alliance that doesn't give a care in the world about its members. Your case as you weaseled your way into one of the very few successful ones is the exception not the standard.
Your whole premise is that any pvp outside of nullsec (where your alliance is the undisputed king of said description) is ganking and griefing. And because of that dimwitted viewpoint anyone with a shred of intelligence views your inane whines and plea to the ignorance of others for what it is. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Why would I go to nullsec with 12 people? Nullsec is just the areas you can declare sovereignty in. Its not the "pvp" zone in EVE. I have zero reason to ever go out there and contribute to the success of an alliance that doesn't give a care in the world about its members. Your case as you weaseled your way into one of the very few successful ones is the exception not the standard. What about the effect on lowsec? NPC nullsec? Hisec? None of these places are where you "declare sovereignty", and all of them are "pvp zones".
No local would fix all secs. You are so beyond clueless I, are you autistic? I ask because no matter what's said to you, you ignore it and repeat the same misguided questions as if anyone reading what you write doesn't recognize the absurd logic you use.
http://nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
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Fallacy: False Dilemma
Also Known as: Black & White Thinking.
Description of False Dilemma A False Dilemma is a fallacy in which a person uses the following pattern of "reasoning":
Either claim X is true or claim Y is true (when X and Y could both be false). Claim Y is false. Therefore claim X is true. This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because if both claims could be false, then it cannot be inferred that one is true because the other is false. That this is the case is made clear by the following example:
Either 1+1=4 or 1+1=12. It is not the case that 1+1=4. Therefore 1+1=12. In cases in which the two options are, in fact, the only two options, this line of reasoning is not fallacious. For example:
Bill is dead or he is alive. Bill is not dead. Therefore Bill is alive. Examples of False Dilemma
Senator Jill: "We'll have to cut education funding this year." Senator Bill: "Why?" Senator Jill: "Well, either we cut the social programs or we live with a huge deficit and we can't live with the deficit."
Bill: "Jill and I both support having prayer in public schools." Jill: "Hey, I never said that!" Bill: "You're not an atheist are you Jill?"
"Look, you are going to have to make up your mind. Either you decide that you can afford this stereo, or you decide you are going to do without music for a while."
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You have no clue of the effect either. Nothing more than pessimistic projection and yet you demand proof of me that you can't provide.
I can answer any question you want me to Zim but having a conversation with you is tedious.
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Fallacy: Burden of Proof
Includes: Appeal to Ignorance ("Ad Ignorantiam")
Description of Burden of Proof Burden of Proof is a fallacy in which the burden of proof is placed on the wrong side. Another version occurs when a lack of evidence for side A is taken to be evidence for side B in cases in which the burden of proof actually rests on side B. A common name for this is an Appeal to Ignorance. This sort of reasoning typically has the following form:
Claim X is presented by side A and the burden of proof actually rests on side B. Side B claims that X is false because there is no proof for X. In many situations, one side has the burden of proof resting on it. This side is obligated to provide evidence for its position. The claim of the other side, the one that does not bear the burden of proof, is assumed to be true unless proven otherwise. The difficulty in such cases is determining which side, if any, the burden of proof rests on. In many cases, settling this issue can be a matter of significant debate. In some cases the burden of proof is set by the situation. For example, in American law a person is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty (hence the burden of proof is on the prosecution). As another example, in debate the burden of proof is placed on the affirmative team. As a final example, in most cases the burden of proof rests on those who claim something exists (such as Bigfoot, psychic powers, universals, and sense data).
Examples of Burden of Proof
Bill: "I think that we should invest more money in expanding the interstate system." Jill: "I think that would be a bad idea, considering the state of the treasury." Bill: "How can anyone be against highway improvements?"
Bill: "I think that some people have psychic powers." Jill: "What is your proof?" Bill: "No one has been able to prove that people do not have psychic powers."
"You cannot prove that God does not exist, so He does."
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Throwing my 2 ISK worth into this topic.
Empire controls 2 areas of space, high security and low security. Players showing up in Local chat channels is intel provided by Empire Factions. Null security is controlled by Alliances and as such they have to provide their own intel. Null security systems need to be patrolled by the Alliances controlling SOV for intel.
High security local chat channel shows everyone. Low security local chat channel shows Criminals and War Targets. Null security local chat channel shows Alliance and Allies controlling SOV. Wormhole local chat channel shows no one.
All local chat channels show players who speak and as long as that player remains in that system, that player's intel is available in Local chat.
Why should hisec be safe? Safer, sure, and it is because the punishment for criminal aggression is guarenteed destruction. Local when utilized prevents any chance whatsoever of conflict, and all the lore in the world doesn't justify it. Its stale and stagnant gameplay. |
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Quote:So when I say that initially, in hisec, of those who does notice that the corp is now at war, even fewer will bother to undock, that's just a "pessimistic projection"?
We have to have a drab game because the least of us are so stupified as to not even know they are in war? This is going to blow your mind Zim, but those idiots deserve to die. Darwin.
Quote:And when I say that some of the people who are currently making a living in lowsec will probably stop doing so, that's just a "pessimistic projection"?
Yes because you have no proof whatsoever merely , pessimistic projection.
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Quote:And when I say that some (or a sizeable portion) of the people who are currently mining and ratting in nullsec will probably go back to hisec to make a similar amount of isk for vastly less effort, that's just a "pessimistic projection"?
Risk versus reward. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. But more to the point you have no proof, just pessimistic projection.
Quote:Or do you actually assume that everyone'll just go "oh hey I get the wormhole experience without actually going to wormholes" and just trundle along as if nothing happened?
I don't really care. Thats like asking if Titans should be removed because those without them don't care for them. It comes down to preference I suppose. I'm not representing your side of the fence though im representing mine. Caliph Muhammed wrote:Local when utilized prevents any chance whatsoever of conflict
Quote:Tons of killmails, in all security levels, would suggest otherwise.
Mostly random save for large scale conflicts between mutually accepting parties. Anyone who wishes to avoid conflict in EVE can do so with trivial ease do to local. And this comes with the cost of war being raised and no means whatsoever to enfore the conflict that was paid for. |
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Removing local still offers no guarenteed form of conflict, but it does go a long way in allowing it to occur non consentually. |
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Lord Zim wrote:So in other words, you believe there'll be absolutely no change in active population in either hisec, lowsec or nullsec (NPC or conquerable) if local is removed.
Not much, no. The veterans that make EVE what it is will adapt and have more fun than they ever did before and the fruits that play a pvp game while trying to remain passive will cry and whine while still logging in to feel the adrenaline of surviving in the ensuing chaos. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Lord Zim wrote:So in other words, you believe there'll be absolutely no change in active population in either hisec, lowsec or nullsec (NPC or conquerable) if local is removed. Not much, no. The veterans that make EVE what it is will adapt and have more fun than they ever did before and the fruits that play a pvp game while trying to remain passive will cry and whine as always while still logging in to feel the adrenaline of surviving in the ensuing chaos. So the fact that at least nullsec turned more or less into a wasteland within a month after CCP nerfed anoms is, to you, not an indication as to what'd happen if CCP removed local? The anom nerf was, after all, just a reduction in payouts, so people got less of a reward for their effort than they would get if they just went back to hisec and did L4s or incursions. So take the fact that rewards aren't currently that much above L4s, and add the fact that you'd end up having to have cloaky scouts watching every gate in the system, and wormholes, and you'd still have to hope there are no-one who have been cloaked for hours or logged in in the system, and combine that with the fact that most people are more risk averse than they are against grinding, and you're really thinking it'll be "not so big a change"?
Did Swarm space become a wasteland or did less rewarding alliances become desolate? I'd wager the people who left didnt really want to be there to begin with and were only there because they had a secure spot to exploit an undue reward.
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not sure how removing local completely in all secs relates to an anom nerf. Simple. People are more risk averse than they are grind-averse, if nullsec got heavily depopulated because of an increase in grinding, just imagine what'd happen when you increase risk and grind at the same time.
HTFU. That blanket statement could be used to justify anything. We could remove all pvp in EVE under that one. If nullsec collapsed entirely tomorrow EVE would be just fine. And pioneers from hisexy would head on out there to fill the vacuum.
Nullsec is the lawless boondocks of New Eden. Its a great addition to the game but its not its lifegiving breath.
Remove hisec and the same can't be said. Unless of course you're delusional enough to believe the "pubbies" in their humble hundred(s) man alliance without outside infrastructure are going to pay 15 a month to be permacamped in station (if there is one) by 8000 man alliances. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:HTFU. That blanket statement could be used to justify anything. We could remove all pvp in EVE under that one. I'm just telling you exactly what the effects would be from removing local. If people wanted to be somewhere without local, they'd be in wormholes already, where the rewards are actually in line with the added risk/effort required to stay safe. No, you're telling me your agenda biased opinion on what would happen, and to be honest you haven't the understanding of the game or human nature to make the assertion. Caliph Muhammed wrote:If nullsec collapsed entirely tomorrow EVE would be just fine. And pioneers from hisexy would head on out there to fill the vacuum. I didn't say "nullsec would collapse", we'd still be out there and shooting anyone trying to take over our space, there just would be less people who rat or mine there, and as such less people to actually gank while roaming. vOv
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:No, you're telling me your agenda biased opinion on what would happen, and to be honest you haven't the understanding of the game or human nature to make the assertion. Whereas you do? Caliph Muhammed wrote:Wormholes require logistics and a level of commitment most find unappealing. You say commitment: what do you mean by that? Caliph Muhammed wrote:Did you just admit to ganking? You dirty little hypocrite. =p If by "ganking" you mean "fly in alliance/coalition fleets in defense of our space", then yes. If by "ganking" you mean "roam around for ratters to kill", then no.
Yes I will assert I have an understanding of human nature. I pay very close attention to words people write and the way there text statements sound when spoken. I was being a little facetious though. The game itself isn't hard to learn for anyone willing to "learn".
Because somehow when your awe inspiring mega fleet encounters a fleet 1/10th its size its more challenging than 5 on 10,15, or 20? |
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:So in another words you couldn't hack it if Null actually became hard like it was meant to be. Don't you worry, I'd "hack it" just as well in nullsec as I do today even if local was removed.
Then its settled. If a risk averse nullbear such as yourself can make it, local is absolutely an unnecessary game retarding protection. |
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bongsmoke wrote:Why cant threads like this just die? Or just moved to an area of space where no one can see it? Oh wait....
Is there a particular reason you don't wish people to see honest discourse? |
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Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Then its settled. If a risk averse nullbear such as yourself can make it, local is absolutely an unnecesary game retarding protection. How does local protect you?
Because all nonconsentual pvp can be avoided by docking up at the sight of another player in system. People could still dock up obviously but they wouldn't have a neon sign and a ringside bell telling them when to do so. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Yes I will assert I have an understanding of human nature. If you do, then you're pretty good at hiding it. Caliph Muhammed wrote:Because somehow when your awe inspiring mega fleet encounters a fleet 1/10th its size its more challenging than 5 on 10,15, or 20? I can provide you a broom if you require more straws to grasp. I'd love to see where you get the "1/10th its size", since most of the fleets we engaged were between 200 and up towards 900. Caliph Muhammed wrote:Then its settled. If a risk averse nullbear such as yourself can make it, local is absolutely an unnecessary game retarding protection. I don't live in null, I join fleets in null.
I love winning. You're shooting blanks Zim. You have no real discourse, no worthwhile counter opinion. Convoluted rhetoric is your peak. Im done for the night, ill be on tomorrow sometime to bring this issue again to the forefront. Convoluted might be giving you to much credit though. Remedial is probably a better fit.
Remedial 2. (Social Science / Education) denoting or relating to special teaching, teaching methods, or material for backward and slow learners |
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Pathetic From: ****** To: Caliph Muhammed
INBOX
you are one pathetic son a bi.tch. Sociopath piece of dogturd. Just biomass yourself, make the game a better place.
Cu.nt.
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I understand completely. If you need to vent feel free. Send me a mail with your expressed feelings and I promise to hold them forever and cherish them, like love letters. |
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Mindseamstress wrote: Oh what you are talking about is going back to the way it was in 2003... I admit the game was more fun back then but unfortunately, it turns out the majority didn't so CCP took out the nerf bad in favor of carebearism. Note that the number of players went up sharply from an all time low of 3k per day.
You forget the part about having no Concord. Slightly different than no local. Convenient you forgot that. |
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malcovas Henderson wrote:The only reason I can see as to why the OP wants the removal of local, Is to have the total advantage of killing his industrialist War Targets.
Hell I even believe, though Wormholes have no local, the Op has never been in one. Why?. He is going in totally blind.
If remove local, then lets remove locator agents. Make you WORK for your kills. Good luck finding a WT 60 jumps away, and you don't know where they are.
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And when you check the OPs killboard you see battleships and battlecruisers and not one hulk. 1 major industrial kill from a freighter in hi sec.
But even if the assumption were true. So what? Do industrial ships have a right to safety? |
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Yeah I did forget the Orca. But no hulks, I dont suicide gank miners and any industrials that were targeted were by chance. When you have two camp for hours on end you have to take what you can get. Any of those with zero combat skill could have left the war but they chose not to. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I dont suicide gank miners What's the matter, afraid you should lose a ship? Caliph Muhammed wrote:Any of those with zero combat skill could have left the war but they chose not to. If they even saw that they were at war to begin with, or even understood what that meant.
None of which matter to the point. Nothing your presenting has any bearing on local being the one feature in EVE that contradicts and makes the whole game a campfest.
You can point to a dead hulk and say that its unfair hulks should never die. Its all just hot air. |
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Yeah I did forget the Orca. But no hulks, I dont suicide gank miners and any industrials that were targeted were by chance. When you have to camp for hours on end you have to take what you can get. Any of those with zero combat skill could have left the war but they chose not to.
Thomas Kart was a miner that died, but he also started the war and refused to undock in anything but a mining ship. We had a chance to kill him and we did. The greater point is Zim industrialist, save for capital ships, and miners don't provide fun kills. That's our perspective.
I checked the KB's for your Corperation. Over 10% of kills were indies. Take into that, Pods, the figure goes higher than 30%. That said. It's a war. and as such any Indy caught is fair game. It's only the pilots fault for being out in an Indy. It doesn,t answer how removing local doesn't give you an OP advantage in Hi, and balances everything o7
My killboard is 10% industrial? I doubt it. I wont deny that if a war target is in a industrial I won't blast him into oblivion but I don't target industrialist as a primary means of PVP. What my corp members do on their own is just that, their own.
None of which lend a shred of credibility to the argument against the removal of local. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:None of which matter to the point. Nothing your presenting has any bearing on local being the one feature in EVE that contradicts and makes the whole game a campfest. "makes the whole game a campfest" is your assertation, presumably because it's the only way you can get kills. vOv
Zim you're a moron. You want so bad to be the guy taken seriously on the forums, in the conversations, making points. But your not up to the job. Thats the truth, it is what it is. Stop spamming my thread with assumptions and irrelevant tripe. |
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Thats because no matter what is said the only counter you ever present is "blah blah no it isn't."
Seriously go find a new thread, stop spamming this one. |
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
My killboard is 10% industrial? I doubt it. I wont deny that if a war target is in a industrial I won't blast him into oblivion but I don't target industrialist as a primary means of PVP. What my corp members do on their own is just that, their own. And you counted PODS as industrial as well? Bias much?
None of which lend a shred of credibility to the argument against the removal of local.
I didn't say your KB's. I said your Corps. Pods were not counted as indies, but as non combat ships. Making the total for your Corps kills of "non combat ships" at about 1 in 3. Reguardless as to whether or not, you personally shoot indies, your corp do. Removing local gives your Corp, that same advantage as you are looking for. As for creditability for argueing against the removal of local. Balance is the only reason for not removing it. It gives the agressor to much, and takes away much more from the prey. o7
It makes nonconsentual targeted pvp an impossibility. **** the victim. It makes EVE suck. Having a mechanism that completely removes stealth and scouting from the game, suprise attacks and endless other often hyped features isnt balance. Its ******* weak. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:It makes nonconsentual targeted pvp an impossibility. Odd, killboards all over the eve universe seems to prove that it's very possible right now. Caliph Muhammed wrote:Having a mechanism that completely removes stealth and scouting from the game, suprise attacks and endless other often hyped features isnt balance. Its ******* ********. As usual, you've absolutely no idea (or rather, you completely ignore) the end result on "the other guy", because you're so focused on making your own game too easy.
Welcome to ignore idiot. |
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Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:It makes nonconsentual targeted pvp an impossibility. **** the victim. It makes EVE suck. Having a mechanism that completely removes stealth and scouting from the game, suprise attacks and endless other often hyped features isnt balance. Its ******* weak. you still don't understand balance and you only want easy-mode PvP I think we've already established this conclusion several times in this discussion and it's a fact you're not willing to accept.
We havent established anything other than local removes everything listed in the original post and that goonswarm has slipped up and recruited some seriously carebear players.
Your premise that because local exists its therefore balanced is silly. But it isn't worth in depth discussion. Lets just say under that logic a change was never needed in EVE in its entire existence.
Notice the OP is in double digit likes, growing everyday. The rest of the posts? Nothing worth mentioning. |
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Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:We havent established anything other than local removes everything listed in the original post and that goonswarm has slipped up and recruited some seriously carebear players. People who only want easy-mode killmails are worse than the carebears.
Calling something easymode doesn't win the argument.
Also, if you're big on challenges leave the 8000 man alliance and help the lessers fight against it.
And having to camp for hours-months to kill a specific person doesn't equate to challenge. It equates to bad design and implementation of which the devs have already made clear. |
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Malachi256 wrote:As someone who only plays occasionally, and who avoids pvp entirely, I think local is one of the most immersion breaking features of this game.
Default player listings in local absolutely need to be removed. Give us something else to act as an early warning system, but good grief, get rid of local. Nothing like watching a chat channel to remind me that this is a sub-par space MMORPG.
Kudos to you good sir. Someone able to see past self interest and make a clear and concise point. |
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Ban Bindy wrote:CCP has already claimed local is going to be replaced by another kind of function, though I haven't read anything about it in a year or more. Local as we know it is going away, but what replaces it will probably have some of the same functions. This might have gotten scrapped when Walking in Stations was abandoned, though.
As for breaking the immersion, there's no immersion in this game to speak of.
I wouldn't care about losing local chat, that's for sure. Nothing more annoying in the game. I don't think getting rid of local is the solution to a lot of problems, though. It will hurt PVP as much as it helps. It's already hard enough to find fights, especially with null sec and low sec empty most of the time.
Of course, OP has taken the position that he knows best and certainly knows more than all the rest of us put together. That makes him perfect for Eve.
Alienation is lame. I said nothing of the sort but i'm not going to accept inane contentless posts as a counter to mechanics problems that can be easily pointed out and shown to be flawed. |
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Solj RichPopolous wrote:Simple Fix. Remove local and overhaul the scanner into something that resembles radar in an actual spaceship. The scanner is about the only thing in EVE that has not been changed much if at all since release in 05. No local but if I open up my scanner (and yes have it autoscan) ships will appear with the same color tagging system thats already in place for local. This alone adds so much more immersion to EVE imho.
Theres not alot of work involved in intel with this game which is why it starts to seem so small so fast.
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Mirima Thurander wrote:no need to read this thread its going to be full of null bears, telling you how bad you are at eve.
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its going to be full of null bears telling you thats a GREAT idea as soon as they get something JUST AS GOOD to replace local.
You are so right. But now is the time to begin taking the forums back and leading the game to a better future. EVE is a game with too much potential to allow it to become a mediocre theme park MMO.
The first step to doing that is through discussion. Defending our points and such. It certainly is a monumental task but I don't think its a hopeless one. The devs already acknowledge local is a problem and decshields became a priority when people began stating their opinions about it.. |
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Miss Whippy wrote:I would only support removing local if the directional scanner was made automatic. As much as you have to check D-Scanner now, you'd have to check it constantly. That would quickly get very old; this idea needs to be balanced out with making DScanning less laborious.
However, I don't know how much server load this would add; my gut feeling says it would be a lot. But without that, as much as I like the idea of removing local, this needs to be the compromise.
If its made to do the same exact thing local does automatically thats not a compromise. It can be made automatic but not infallible. |
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ok, good stuff. |
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Local is for amateurs. Both hunters and prey. Speaking as if things are set in stone when CCP has already acknowledged local on the menu of things to modify is a pathetic attempt at discouraging dissenting viewpoints. So we can have an open discussion about how to improve the system or you can view the thread in general discussion everyday. But no longer will it be an issue that a few people enforce their will or opinion down the throat of everyone. If you're positive that it won't be changed and have no real interest in discussing it other than throwing out snide remarks feel free to skip over the thread. I mean afterall your positive it will never happen.
Me myself im positively willing to discuss it everyday. And sooner or later those that agree with me will do the same. |
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Simetraz wrote:OP wormhole space is that way ---->>>>>
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Simetraz wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Simetraz wrote:OP wormhole space is that way ---->>>>> Hellokittyonline that way -----------> So do they have no local as well ? Well I guess you should that game instead of EVE.
Im not going anywhere. Im going to begin a lobby to change EVE into the game it advertises itself as. And if you don't like that feel free to create your lobby to counter it. But it would appear politics are the only form of communication the community listens to. So slowly but surely ill siphon like minds to the idea and we're going to go from there. And if you don't like that maybe you need a new game to play. |
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Simetraz wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Simetraz wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Simetraz wrote:OP wormhole space is that way ---->>>>> Hellokittyonline that way -----------> So do they have no local as well ? Well I guess you should that game instead of EVE. Im not going anywhere. Im going to begin a lobby to change EVE into the game it advertises itself as. And if you don't like that feel free to create your lobby to counter it. But it would appear politics are the only form of communication the community listens to. So slowly but surely ill siphon like minds to the idea and we're going to go from there. And if you don't like that maybe you need a new game to play. Actually I remember a time when Local had no pretty colors and no standings at all. All standings where controlled by a separate website. And I found no joy in that system at all. I so have zero interest in sitting by a gate all day just so I can tag someone as they enter a system. If people want to fight they will come out and fight. I have no interest playing hide in seek. EVE already has a no local section and I don't see the masses streaming there to enjoy that utopia. And of course the first place that will see no local will be null. And I don't the null alliances crying up a storm like they normally do if there is a mechanic they really want or don't like. If anything by past rants and raves I hear crickets for no local.
Wormholes require a skillset and a level of commitment and effort most people don't bother with. Im one of them. There are too many other things I like to do in EVE that a wormhole makes tedious. So I reject your argument that because everyone doesn't jump in a wormhole that local doesnt neuter every other forementioned feature EVE hypes and fails to live up to.
And a side point your premise that if people don't want to fight they should be able to endlessly avoid it (by having infallible intel) goes against NON CON SEN TUAL pvp.
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specializt wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Wormholes require a skillset and a level of commitment and effort most people don't bother with. Im one of them. Scan for wormhole entrances and run dscan all day erryday? AND ganking miners, carebears, nublet-PvP corps without much effort nor reward. That sure are some mad "skills" and unspeakable amounts of "commitment" girls_laughing.png
Appealing to ridicule. My confidence grows. The dissenters strongest weapon they can wield is snarky paragraphs full of fallacies. The truth will win out. It always does.
That being said, hauling fuel, pos operation, limited piracy, limited targets, scanning skills (of which I actually have) are just a few reasons wormholes aren't for many. For me updating market orders pickups deliveries and such would be more hassle than I care to endure. |
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Local is for amateurs. You set up that strawman real soft and knocked it with just one blow. Impressive. That is the way to win any argument.
If you mean having no local hinders the activities I mentioned your misguided. No local has zero to do with me not caring for wormholes. |
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specializt wrote:Frying Doom wrote: So the POS fuels, ammunition, modules, stations to allowing clone jumping and known paths back to trade hubs as well as anything you might need appear magically when ever needed?
We got like 2 or 3 guys who do that (myself included) because its not a big job at all - even in large quantities.
Kudos, but it has zero to do with infallible intelligence and the gamedulling issues that comes along with it. |
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All of which have nothing to do with the OP. If you want to live in a wormhole feel free. |
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I went to adjust my market orders in the .01 environment. Its a good thing i'm not in a wormhole or i'd have to find a way to get in and out every 5 minutes to do it!
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Mocam wrote:specializt wrote:Frying Doom wrote: What does any of that have to do with Worm Holes?
Except for the WH-drones : just about everything, the tasks in WH are identical to the tasks in null. Not really and sure as hell not the same way. - Your front door doesn't change so you can find a path there from any k-space area in the game. - You can set a destination point and simply "follow the dots" to that place - but not in W-space. - Cyno's don't work so you can't just bounce to a spot with a JF, bridge in/out with other ships - so on and so forth. - You can't decide that your front door is pointing at too dangerous a spot so you collapse it. - Entering a gate, you appear "OFF" the gate at range. Entering a WH, you are in click-out range of the entrance/exit; so camps? ... etc. WH life is both more and less dangerous than other parts of the game. That "no local" is just one aspect of it and if they normalized the rules for WH space and null - the game would play radially different. No - removal isn't a solution, not without some form of replacement.
Sure it is. And no you don't need a replacement. I didnt hear a reason for local needing to stay but assuming you carry the EVE UNI agenda im sure I can figure it out.
Isn't Decshield enough protection as is? If it isn't what on earth are teaching anyone? You didn't teach me anything and I do just fine. As do most. |
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Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Im not going anywhere. Im going to begin a lobby to change EVE into the game it advertises itself as you already have the intellectual paragon known as Frying Doom with you good luck m8 o7
And you have 10000 wasted political votes and a never ending public outcry against your alliances overrepresentation on the CSM . It would appear we both have an uphill climb. |
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Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Sure it is. And no you don't need a replacement. I didnt hear a reason for local needing to stay but assuming you carry the EVE UNI agenda im sure I can figure it out.
Isn't decshield enough protection as is? Yeah I hear Eve University is heavily invested in nullsec with all of that sovereignty they hold
No, but they are heavily invested in making EVE a happy safe place in hisec so they can pretend to actually teach people something other than camp up during wars as not to encourage aggression. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Snow Burst wrote:sooooooooooooooo your saying you want the entire game to be an hour of probing out people to go fetch your ship to find theyve moved off? no local in wh space works because its the whole point and adds a different play style not everyone wants to play in wh's nah he doesn't really want any changes, Caliph is just a guy whose experience with pvp is a handful of highsec wardecs trying to build himself an image of something that he isn't while Frying Doom is merely poorly repeating trolls from NPC corp shiptoasters of EVE-gd past because he's butthurt about goons calling him out on his creepy whiteknighting of Issler Dainze during the CSM7 elections, but he doesn't really grasp game mechanics that well so he does a bad job of it. Anyways that's the past 17 pages of this thread all summed up for you, ban npc corps.
And yet when I bothered to do it I make it look so fuc.king easy. Trust me I abstained most of my eve career because solo pvp was an exercise in monotony. It had nothing to do with ability. And none of that has any bearing on local being a elementary school level safety net for a game that fraudulently claims to be hardcore.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15867656 Theres one of your kills, I thought it it the first impressive one on the list. Then I saw it was so many people on one ship it bordered ridiculous. And you put a whopping 93 damage on the kill. Im sure if I sift thru ill find you to be a great big KM *****.
Why don't you tell us all exactly why the pussies in EVE need local. |
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ITT alot of distractions and rhetoric but no real arguments as to why EVE needs local chat, an immersion breaking feature thats detrimental to almost every feature the game boasts. The sum of the anti argument is that the most dullard of the population will quit if its removed. Thats it. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15867656 Theres one of your kills, I thought it the first impressive one on the list. Then I saw it was so many people on one ship it bordered ridiculous. And you put a whopping 93 damage on the kill. Im sure if I sift thru ill find you to be a great big KM ho, I stopped after just three because its all the same format. You doing almost nothing just enough to get on the mail. Your pvp experience consists of joining the biggest blob you can find and pretending that in doing so you're elite. /facepalm Why don't you tell us all exactly why the pussies in EVE need local instead. Ah yes that time I (the lone prober in fleet) probed down the vital warp-in needed for a combined Brick-Cascade-SOLAR FLEET armada to warp down on a bunch of Team Tech caps for an epic capital ship battle against Raiden and co, blasting in and tackling dreads. I suppose my dps was rather low.
If you were really the prober that found it, its excusable I don't hate. But if you werent and still hopped on that kill for 93 damage thats kb ho'ing. I'll take your word you did as you stated. |
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Mra Rednu wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Sure it is. And no you don't need a replacement. I didnt hear a reason for local needing to stay but assuming you carry the EVE UNI agenda im sure I can figure it out.
Isn't decshield enough protection as is? Yeah I hear Eve University is heavily invested in nullsec with all of that sovereignty they hold No, but they are heavily invested in making EVE a happy safe place in hisec so they can pretend to actually teach people something other than camp up during wars as not to encourage aggression. You've not decced Eve uni have you ?.......
Nope. But we don't have hundreds of men either, were at about 8 solid players pretty much t3 or better. We are in talks about creating an alliance to bolster the size of corporations or alliances we can engage, but we do seek out targets with far greater numbers than we have. Its about the only way to ensure a decent number of targets are available.
I don't know if you have ever really tried recruiting worthwhile people in EVE but it's a very time consuming process. |
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Decshield isn't gone, its been made the default. Sell that propaganda to a fool. As for the devs losing their jobs if they dont turn eve into a carebear heaven, what a crock. If the devs keep releasing mediocre patches as expansions every 6 months while at the same time leaving the game the campfest it is they wont have any pvpers left but those in alliances. Your carebear demographic isnt what keeps EVE alive. And shooting red Xs only lasts for so long. My subs up on the 30th, not a single aspect of the expansion makes me want to resub. Will I? Maybe. I like the company of my friends but long term its doubtful. It has nothing at all to do with be challenging and everything to do with being a mediocre sub par experience.
Out of curiousity whats the cost for decing euni now per week? |
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Cloaking OP versus ratter and miners. Really think about the stupidty in that remark. Curse you for quoting him.
A mining isn't a combat ship so I would hope that it is a stronger combat option. As for ratters what on earth type of ratter has a ship that covert ops dps can manhandle? If he means more than 1 then the ratter should die.
What utter rubbish. Its that plea to ignorance that is so prevalent in MMOs especially pvp centric ones and even moreso ones with a non combat class that leads to the mediocre gameplay we have now.
If you choose a non combat profession and die in combat, hey genius, its working as intended. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:BTW wtf is a ratter? Is that just another way of describing the phenomenon of the player using the highest DPS ship they've trained for and hunting belt rats or is there a special ship/skillset that ive overlooked that makes it somehow less capable of being rigged for pvp and pve? I personally think its a codeword for "Miners With Guns." Huh. So he really doesn't know the difference between a PVE-fitted ship and a PVP-fitted ship?
Yeah in capable hands a warp disruptor. I know that post punched hard but if you want to avoid it don't respond at all. Stop trying to alienate me. In case you havent figured it out yet it doesn't work. And in most cases the people you draw for support aren't any more up for the job than you are. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Yeah in capable hands a warp disruptor. I know that post punched hard but if you want to avoid it don't respond at all. Stop trying to alienate me. In case you havent figured it out yet it doesn't work and in most cases the people you try and draw for support when you have your ass handed to you aren't anymore up for the job than you are. So you're going to go on record and claim that the only difference between a PVE-fitted ship, and a PVP-fitted ship, is the addition of a warp disruptor?
Im going to go on the record and state that I can do l4s in a ham fitted buffer tank ship just fine. Im going to go on record and say I can then go to the belts and kill rats just as easily. Again on the record i'll take that same ship and do ok in pvp with it. And all with a warp disruptor fitted. Its a privilege of minimizing my ship choices to one race and maxing out my support skills.
Some people need ravens to do level 4s. We have fun with three man groups of pre-buff assault frigates. Havent did any post buff.
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Lord Zim wrote:Funny how you avoided talking about plexes.
We didn't talk about c5s either. You mentioned ratters and miners. Did you mention Plexes? Funny how you didn't yet you ask me whether I did. Need more time to eek out more tripe or have you tired of having your ass handed to you? |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Funny how you avoided talking about plexes. We didn't talk about c5s either. You mentioned ratters and miners. Did you mention Plexes? Funny how you didn't yet you ask me whether I did. Need more time to eek out more tripe or have you tired of having your ass handed to you? I did, actually: Lord Zim wrote:Spoken like someone who has absolutely no clue on how to use f.ex a purifier to kill a ratting/plexing ship. But hey, thanks for going on record, since it shows just how out of touch with nullsec you actually are.
If nullsec is so full of carebears like you EVE is an even bigger fraud than I first thought. But we both know you dont represent anyone but yourself.
And you didnt mention plexing ( or rather the purifier)until after I replied. Zim you fail. Bottomline is if you didnt weasel your way into Goonswarm you'd be in hisec getting punked on the regular. |
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Andrea Roche wrote:Lord Zim wrote: But hey, thanks for going on record, since it shows just how out of touch with nullsec you actually are.
ofcource he is ouf of touch with 0.0. All he does is wardecking corps in high sec and some low sec gate camping.
And all you do is alt post on a bitchass npc corp alt. Hows my taint smell? Your in the thread irrelevant as ever sniffing it as much as you can. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:If nullsec is so full of carebears like you EVE is an even bigger fraud than I first thought. But we both know you dont represent anyone but yourself. Okay. Go to nullsec and do a plex in your version of a PVE fitted ship, then. I'll just be over here, waiting for the lossmail. Caliph Muhammed wrote:And you didnt mention plexing until after I replied. Zim you fail. So, uh, when I said "a ratting/ plexing ship" , that was me "not mentioning it"?
Zim I don't die unless I choose to. Its that simple. And anyone with a IQ over 100 could say the same thing if they wanted and it would be true. Wormholes the exception. |
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Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:If nullsec is so full of carebears like you EVE is an even bigger fraud than I first thought. But we both know you dont represent anyone but yourself.
And you didnt mention plexing until after I replied. Zim you fail. Since when is nullsec a "PvP-only" zone?
Funny, I thought Hisec was PVE only? Laugh. /facepalm |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Zim I don't die unless I choose to. Its that simple. And anyone with a IQ over 100 could say the same thing if they wanted and it would be true. Wormholes the exception. Okay then. Take the same fit you'd use to PVP or do WH sleeper rats with, and go up against a plex, then. Let's see how well that goes for you. PS: warping out is for pussies.
So high end pve in one area of the game means the rest of the game has to suck so they won't feel gimped?
The answer to your convulted question zim is how many of my ships and friends would I take along with me to do it. |
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Andrea Roche wrote:garbage
Nah no need. I feel great posting under my main expressing myself as I wish. Scurry back under the dumpster cockroach. |
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Andrea Roche wrote:garbage Yeah thats why the OP likes keep going up and you're still bravehearting behind an alt. |
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Look at the replies. Pathetic. You guys got owned and you have no comebacks just more drivel. Why not just admit some of you are too idiotic to play without local? |
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Make the game a mysterious and true space experience. The baddies can adapt or be replaced by a more worthwhile demographic. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: Make the game a mysterious and true space experience. The baddies can adapt or be replaced by a more worthwhile demographic. Wormholes are thaddaway ------------->
Zim go away. Shoo! You have no constructive arguments to add to the thread just spam. Your opinion is so dull and inane to read on every single page that you should be embarrassed for forcing the public to have to sift through it. You won't be the reason local goes or stays. Believe it.
Wormholes have no relevance to issue at hand bar giving you something you believe deflects the issue. |
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Wormholes do not have access to everything i'm after. They have no access to local market hubs, freighter traffic worth mentioning, nor can I find a select target I may be after unless they so happen to come through one of 2500 I may be in. I'll stop dismissing points when one is actually made.
And the whole youre hisec you're this or that is juvenile at best. I could say if you're nullsec youre an irrelevant ***** to the alliance leader. It would fit most. |
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Milton Middleson wrote:I'll take that an admission that you are in fact just a risk-averse "pirate" looking for easy-mode ganks.
You can take it however you want. I have no doubts you have no intention of actually thinking about the points being made. You're another of the narrowminded cretins that can't hack it in a hardcore & visceral game. (Of which EVE isn't atm)
And like many of the midget minded troglodytes, when an argument is presented to you in which your intellect can't overcome you resort to labeling, alienation and assumptions.
Thanks for your opinion though, contemplate how much i'm going to ponder on it. |
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Milton Middleson wrote:A self-diagnosed sociopath is hurling florid verbiage at me in an attempt to divert attention away from the discrepancies between what he claims to want and what his suggestions and in-game activities reveal about his genuine desires. I am mortified.
Literally anything in EVE would be more hardcore and visceral than what you are doing right now. Miners and mission-runners take more risks than you do. So for you to claim that I or anyone else can't hack in a really hardcore game is utterly risible.
Not a hulk kill on my killboard and any industrials you might find were by happenstance that they undocked in war in that ship.
Try again, harder. Only this time use something you can validate and prove.
All of which have no relevance on whether local is breaking/hindering everything I mentioned in the OP.
Also Im curious as to how you know my sociopathy is self diagnosed? Trust in Karn the lonely teenaged "Jewish-American" who pretends to be a professional by quoting summaries he read on a website? |
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Go ahead ignore my post. I would too when everything you claim I am is proven false by an api from the begining of the characters creation on Bclinic and EvEkill. |
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Also Im curious as to how you know my sociopathy is self diagnosed? Trust in Karn the lonely, teenaged, "Jewish-American" who pretends to be a professional by quoting summaries he read on a website? I'm sorry but what does the fact that he is a Jewish American have to do with anything? You should be very careful here as I or others may see this as being anti-Semitic and harassment of another player. I think the reason that you are not getting the responses that you like is a result of you being confused. Earlier in this very thread you made this claim: Caliph Muhammed wrote:Currently in EVE not a single soul should die unless they choose to. That's not hardcore. Thats inane. I think this is a statement based on some players "risk-averse" mentality. Further in the thread you made this claim directed towards Lord Zim: Caliph Muhammed wrote:Zim I don't die unless I choose to So you don't die unless you choose to but don't want other people to have that choice? The gist of this entire diatribe of yours in no different than carebear whining. You want something to make the game better for YOU without regard for its effects on others. While I do not in any way agree with the opinion you have presented here, I do recognize and respect your right to that opinion. Enjoy your day.
In Karns numerous trolls he made sure to invoke his jewishness on many occasions. I merely highlighted what he wanted everyone to know.
I don't die unless I choose to because local makes not dying trivially easy. Do I really need to elaborate on that point? I mean really?
Yes, I have no problem upsetting people who's gameplay revolves around keeping the game of EVE a **** poor attempt at being a hardcore game when its in fact a softcore campfest. May they all quit and be replaced by people who would make the game fun and worthwhile instead of the tedious shitpile it currently is.
Labeling my "diatribe" carebear whining may work when you're preaching to the choir but anyone with a shred of intellect, like the almost 50 people who have liked it so far know different. Your "diatribe" is no different than the rest of the candyass scrub muffins trying to defend their position without evidence save for you choose words that give you a softer demeanor. |
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Perhaps I will. But i'm happy with EVEs gameplay as is save for local chat. Its game breaking, immersion wrecking, amateur and needs to go. |
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Major posting error there. Ill respond later. |
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malcovas Henderson wrote:
You dont die, unless you choose. Well let me think why. Is it because when you WD, and they come to fight, you run and squeal back to the station? Is it because you never go into Null or WH's?. Is it because your only "Prey" is PVE.
You make me laugh, you really do. You have no experience in null, yet you seem to think you have all the answers to fix it. You have no experience in WH's, but seem to think It's mechanics are suitable to all of EVE. Your "prey" seems to be non PvP'ers, and you wonder why you cannot be killed.
Seriously dude. You have not even touched the tip of the iceberg of this game. PVP wise. Take what your OP thread Title says and practice what you preach. You want PVP without Local. then go to WH's. As I said you dont have to live in a WH to enter it. Go and see what removing local means. Then come back when you have experienced it.
Yes, Depends, No & No. That's for the first paragraph.
The second you're basically going on a rant, talking out of your rectum while making assumptions. It comes down to "If you abstain from NULL your ability to form a coherent sentence and argument is an impossibility." Im guessing you're about 17?
The third appears to be where you pretend you're the leader of some major alliance and that pvp or EVE in general changes somehow when you step through the next stargate. I suppose it does to a degree, in the sense that there are larger swarms of baddies waiting to gatecamp than the gate previous.Or that they can use bubbles and bigger ships to make it easier. I dont recall mentioning null exclusively but be assured whatever change I recommended for it would be infinitely better than one you could muster.
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malcovas Henderson wrote: You can form any opinion. Opinions gained from experience, are more valued than Waffle from someone who never has. You should never delude yourself, that you opinions matter if you have never experienced. You scoff at the opinions of those that have at least some experience in these areas. whose is the mature one here?
Your third answer evades the whole question. Is that because you don't have a viable answer. WH's give you EXACTLY what you want. Yet you still REFUSE to acknowledge them as a completely viable source, for your playstyle. I can only imagine why this must be so. My best guess is that you still want soft targets to be your "Prey". If this is the case then your whole thread has not been for the good of EVE, but the benefits to yourself only.
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I have zero interest rehearsing the same non arguments with quite frankly, daft people. WH's dont give me exactly what I want and wouldn't change the premise even if they did. You can ask 99 more convoluted questions and i'm probably going to skip over them unless I find one that is poignant and merits taking the time to bother. |
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malcovas Henderson wrote:[
You have yet to give 1 single valid arguement against WH's. As I have said removing local from HI/low, and null, Would make them almost like WH's. Entering a system without local would be exactly the same as entering a WH. Now please tell me. What would be so different, that you prefer to stay in HI sec without local, for your kills, and getting themfrom a WH?
Admit it. Real PvP scares the **** out of you. Everything you have said, has led to this. You hide behind the security of HI sec. Your "prey" are soft targets. The Agent finder being your "local" (be it somewhat unreliable to a certain degree), is the only reason you can even ask for the removal of local. Without it, you wouldn't even be here.
Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.
Example: Hey guys look at his alliance. Its a big joke because it has no sovereignty but its members talk as if they are relevant to null sec. |
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In the interest of fairness I think you make a fair point about locater agents. Certainly worth considering a modification of but not so detrimental as to make the OP irrelevant. |
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.
Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums. Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do.
Thats an interesting point of view. Tell me then why do we need skill clones that go into the 100 million mark when we can all stop training and roll an alt to fill the niche. You think it might be because convenience and diversity are the motivation? |
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@Onyx Nyx - I must have missed the EVE being free to play announcement, post a link? |
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Onyx Nyx wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I must have missed the EVE being free to play announcement, post a link? Here you go.
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Yeah its rabble rabble isn't it? |
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Onyx Nyx wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Yeah its rabble rabble isn't it? And $309 later and you are still not wiser. Hilarity ensues.
Peanut Butter with your Jelly? I can afford to give you some, no charge. |
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:[quote=Caliph Muhammed]
You combined a station based profession with a space based profession, now your PvP abilities are hobbled by having to run back to market multiple times an hour.
Meanwhile, everyone else is left scratching there heads because they trained their characters more sensibly, and can enjoy the markets of Jita and the danger of null/w-space without hassle.
If I deleted every non combat skill off of my toon i'd still prefer the population of hisec. I answer to no one and have all the positives with zero logistics issues. And none of that has any relevance to pvp being fundamentally broken and a boring campfest because of local. Just because wormholes are a potential less optimal replacement for just local chat doesn't make it a non issue. All of the people i'd wish to attack wouldn't so happen to live in my wormhole or even wormholes in general.
And everyone isnt in disagreement with me. 40 so far have liked the post while I don't think a disagreeing post in the thread has recieved 10 yet. The truth is most people worry about retaliation for posting their ideas or find it unenjoyable to respond to critique. |
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Notice Zim's argument always comes with the premise he's entitled to one iota of unearned safety? Bless his heart, he tries.
Zim in your alliance of, 9000, if you can't create a 24 hour cycle of patrols then you shouldn't "own the space". Take that as "ever feel safe."
And you don't need a guy at every entrance, just a combat fleet relatively close and of good size relative to the likely threat. Occupants that aren't a part of the defense force have to take some actions themselves such as strengthening their defense to hold out until help arrives or they should perish. Under the right circumstances, they should die instantly. As example if a ten man stealth bomber fleet invades and intercepts you. Chalk it up to 10 people playing exceptional and the one guys exceptional play didn't match it.
You have no inherent right to a safe way out unless you take the appropriate actions in creating that situation. And that won't change no matter how many times and different ways you ask that same question. |
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Frying Doom wrote:alot of stuff
I appreciate your view but it will create an imbalance in risk versus reward that will lead to overcompensating rewards in nullsec. Local has to be removed across the board.
Second, local has a dulling effect on pvp. It makes it suck. Many people in hisec pvp and fixing or rather removing the tedium of camping due to local is not a benefit that should be given to just one subset of pvpers.
There is no sound reason to leave local chat in EVE. Or rather to have everyone automatically registered as in system. Removing local will not remove concord so there is not a shred more risk in doing so outside of those potentially in war. But the risk would be mutual for attacker and defender, hence balanced.
I remember they removed public standings because it gave to much free intel. Well that gave a trivial amount of intel compared to local chat. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Zim in your alliance of, 9000, if you can't create a 24 hour cycle of patrols then you shouldn't "own the space". Take that as "ever feel safe." What would be the incentives to be in these patrols?
For the Hives' continual claim to sovereignty. And to allow a safe place for its tax paying citizens to generate tax revenue. Those taxes could then be distributed to the defensive patrols or invested and multiplied for greater return.
Did you not read the post where i said if I had 9000 people behind me i'd burn Jita down weekly?
Of course I wouldn't announce it, and it would rotate days it was carried out. |
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Frying Doom wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Frying Doom wrote:alot of stuff I appreciate your view but it will create an imbalance in risk versus reward that will lead to overcompensating rewards in nullsec. Local has to be removed across the board. Second, local has a dulling effect on pvp. It makes it suck. It makes many skills largely useless and at minimum boring. Many people in hisec pvp and fixing or rather removing the tedium of camping due to local is not a benefit that should be given to just one subset of pvpers. My primary reasons for null sec only are based on the fact that Null sec is lawless space and it makes no sense that local would exist there. Also no local in Null is part of a package of alterations I believe should occur to Null as it is very stagnant and boring at this point and a large part of the pvp is gate camping with little to no risk to the campers.
Removing local has no real effect on high sec law and order. It only affects war. One can die in a martyrdom operation in hisec with local as is because it can come from someone completely anonymous. Having no local wouldn't effect that one way or the other save for making the suicide ganker have to work to locate their target.
I honestly wish the orthodox carebears could see how much less likely they would be to die to a suicide gank with local removed. They overestimate how well seeing someone in hisec local is protecting them and underestimate how not having their presence revealed in hisec local would shelter them. |
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Revised just for you Bunnie Hop
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Lord Zim wrote: So to make it worth it to have a single person as an official "quick reaction force", 24/7, that'd be 960 million a day pr system in salary costs. If we're assuming we're talking about just 8 hours of QRFs, that's 320 million pr day. Multiply that by how many people you want in your QRF, and add ship replacement programmes for any ships and pods lost.
Either your defense force demands to much pay or your security is to severe and hinders trade. Open borders has its benefits and its liabilities. Either of which are a non issue to the core principle. Thats on Goonswarm Command to figure out. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Lord Zim wrote: So to make it worth it to have a single person as an official "quick reaction force", 24/7, that'd be 960 million a day pr system in salary costs. If we're assuming we're talking about just 8 hours of QRFs, that's 320 million pr day. Multiply that by how many people you want in your QRF, and add ship replacement programmes for any ships and pods lost.
Either your defense force demands to much pay or your security is to severe and hinders trade. Either of which are a non issue to the core principle. Thats on Goonswarm Command to figure out. What would you say would be a fair wage, pr person and pr hour, to sit guard around a bunch of carebears in case something happens, then?
That would depend on what ship I was in and how I felt about the Alliance. But remember just a relatively small fleet can defend one system and in that system many civilians can be generating taxes.
With the benefits offered to Hive members I would consider a draft service for the privilege. You guys can offer alot asking a little something of your members shouldn't be a big issue. It's garrison duty. Nobody likes it but someone has to do it or the combat is for naught. With as many people as you guys have you could setup a schedule for guys to devote a hour or so per day to do their share. The specifics I can't answer because I don't know the inner workings of the 'Swarm but it's within the alliances ability.
With the right officers you might even be able to get it done on tips. Make the experience enjoyable even if its less than the adrenaline pumping front line combat. |
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If the alliance respected my work, handled leadership and promotions fairly, I do it for free. Tips appreciated. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:If the alliance respected my work, handled leadership and promotions fairly, I do it for free. Tips appreciated =) So you'd sit in a system for 8 hours a day, and respond to any emergency within a few seconds, for free?
Well Zim it's a game. I think 8 hours is a little much for one guy, you have to find a more feasible schedule. Small alliances claiming sov are doomed to fail yes, but they weren't really sov worthy to begin with.
I'll buy Tengus and Legions for my amigos if they can't afford them so doing charity isn't something I shun. I am Muslim.
Its also why I may only have 8 solid with me but all eight of them will camp someone for hours on end if i ask. They know i'll do the same in return. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Well Zim it's a game. I think 8 hours is a little much for one guy, you have to find a more feasible schedule. Okay, let's pretend you're a normal person and you have 1 hour of time, pr day, which you can spend in EVE. Would you dedicate that hour to probably doing absolutely nothing, but you still have to be alert enough that you can be on the scene within a few seconds of someone getting ambushed, for free?
Under the right conditions, absolutely. |
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Well Zim it's a game. I think 8 hours is a little much for one guy, you have to find a more feasible schedule. Okay, let's pretend you're a normal person and you have 1 hour of time, pr day, which you can spend in EVE. Would you dedicate that hour to probably doing absolutely nothing, but you still have to be alert enough that you can be on the scene within a few seconds of someone getting ambushed, for free? Under the right conditions, absolutely.
You have to remember Zim I fight wars in hisec. Camping is a part of the job. Its why I want local gone. I'd still have to camp but i'd have at least a reasonable chance of having it pay off. I'll succed regardless as I have been but its mind numbing at the moment the work involved in getting a specific individual. |
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Zim you're hunting for a contradiction that isn't going to come. As I stated before its directly relative to how much I care for the alliance and how much appreciation is shown for doing so. |
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EVE is a sandbox and a sandbox is about choice. Let's avoid overcomplicating the process to a better game and leave people with choices. How about allowing those who wish to remain in local to do so and those who wish to opt out to do so. I mean it's not meant to be a free intelligence channel right? Sounds like a compromise. If you wish to display power you could and if you wished to remain hidden from power you could as well. Its win/win.
You wouldn't want to continue forcing a playstyle upon me would you? |
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Its not abuse. Abuse is what's being done with local as it is. And with that being said im not even considering your timing argument as proof or even factual. Bottom line you feel entitled to keep unlimited tabs on my character when the game says otherwise. Why did we get rid of faction standings being publically displayed again? |
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Its not abuse. Abuse is what's being done with local as it is. I'd call it "game balance". Not its not. Its called listening to a bunch of people who want to play EVE but never be forced to take a risk. Whoever declared that balanced needs to be fired as an absolute incompetent. We know your opinion Zim. Double digit sh!tpoasts throughout the thread.
Define how making the entire scouting profession a complete waste of time so that you can avoid any risk whatsoever in a game designed as nonconsensual pvp focused is balanced. You can't. The most you can do is declare it.
Spreading syrup on sh!it doesn't make it pancakes. |
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The trick is to throw in a editing error every so often and the lemmings will keep your idea plastered on the front page. I actually like your post i'm just saying in general. =)
One guy sifted through the thread looking for errors and found one with nonconsensual I had spelling it with a T. Ironically no one else noticed it because the root word is consent. But having a lack of ideas doesn't help in creating a page length rant so you have to find filler.
Consentual says the same thing as consensual though its accepted as the latter. Though in essense all words are made up so it's not necessarily incorrect as long as the idea is expressed in a way most can understand. It's like Brits jonesing on American English because it doesn't follow the Queen's decree. |
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Okay we've heard your opinion I don't want to block you and I won't but i'm not interested in having a back and forth. |
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Lord Zim wrote:Hey, all I'm saying is that if what you want out of nullsec is a place where PVPers go to do SOV war or shoot eachother's moons, then log out and go play on their L4s in hisec (leaving nullsec a complete desert devoid of life), then go ahead and remove local.
If, however, you absolutely want to add risk to nullsec, then work on making the sov system harder to defend, and stations go boom.
Zim, F#CK NULL. I don't care about null or its mechanics. What I care about is EVE and the tedium that is camping for a kill. I dont mind work, risk or failure. What I mind is being willing to work, take a risk and accept failure and nothing about being so changes that to kill anyone in particular requires the target to be braindead and me to be enthralled with the tedium of sitting at a gate because stealth is impossible. |
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@Zim
Stop spamming the thread. You have no argument for local staying. We know your inane opinion and quite frankly we see how desperate you are. You are a troll. Period. No matter what is said you reply with a non point.
You've basically hijacked the entire thread and rammed your whiney non - opinion down everyone's throat to the point i'm seriously tired of seeing your spastic looking avatar multiple times every page.
I recommend everyone blocking Lord Zim. You will have a much better time in the forums because he's an agenda pushing patsy. You won't get a real counter argument, just convoluted whines designed to make you feel guilty for playing the game the way it was meant to be played.
He builds a strawman, names it victim and then lobbies on behalf of it.
His arguments come down to..... You have guns and you want cheap ammunition? What about the victims you'll kill by having all that cheap ammo? I can't understand how giving you cheap ammunition is balanced. You realize all that cheap ammo will cause nullsec to fall apart right? We have paper tiger empires out here and only survive because no one can afford to shoot us! |
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Excellent posts Nikk Narrel. Elegant and concise. A pleasure to read. |
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In our survey we found that 1000 out of 1000 vikings found local chat in EVE unicelandic. |
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Lord Zim wrote:You should've stuck to the initial Umad? post.
I'm not going to allow a cowardly little alt poster to derail the thread into a pissing match. Its no need to. UMad wasnt even the first iteration.
You're a sycophant. You require attention. Negative or positive you just can't stay away. No matter what I say you'll cling to my words and post each and every time. By all means Zim prove me wrong, don't post anymore. Betcha can't!
Create your own thread defending local chat. Let's see the ability for you to do anything other than meander on for the last word. |
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Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Lord Zim wrote:You should've stuck to the initial Umad? post. I'm not going to allow a cowardly little alt poster to derail the thread into a pissing match. Its no need to. UMad wasnt even the first iteration. You're a sycophant. You require attention. Negative or positive you just can't stay away. No matter what I say you'll cling to my words and post each and every time. By all means Zim prove me wrong, don't post anymore. Betcha can't! Create your own thread defending local chat. Let's see the ability for you to do anything other than meander on for the last word. Do you know what the word "sycophant" means? He's also not an alt poster fyi
Are you his defense by proxy? All i'm saying is I like to read different viewpoints. It's not a bias issue, I already have the advantage by having the opening post. But short of keeping the thread active occasionally I try and collect the opinions of different people, not just one person who refuses to listen to any argument that would bring any real element of danger to the game.
And yes I know what sycophancy is. But people of that personality type will substitute attention for praise when it's all that's available. If the OP is constantly responding to them they are the star of the show so to speak. I'm essentially being forced to praise (respond to) his posts by being inundated with them on every page I post.
It wouldn't be a problem, tldr isn't in my protocol, save for he refuses to see things in any other fashion than a myopic pessimist. There is no debate to be had with that personality. It's entire premise rests with suggesting a negative outcome, completely unprovable, then hiding behind it and peoples natural resistance to change.
Zim wasn't the person I refered to as an alt poster either. I'm not attacking Zim for disagreeing, i'm attacking him for being disagreeable. And his being disagreeable is purely agenda driven. |
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Imrik86 wrote:CCP doesn't have enough balls to get rid of local. Lots of people will freak out and leave. In fact, they even encourage dual boxing. They go great lenghts to optimze the game to run simutaneously, and that's why the game is just a bunch of alts sitting at stations. It makes them look good on the " ONLINE PLAYERS" count for the investors.
WH is the only fun place left in EVE just because it lacks local.
Dual boxing doesn't really help. I can throw a neutral scout in system and if the target has one too they will know i'm on the next gate. Its a game stagnating situation that needs to be fixed. Local single handedly kills almost every "feature" chaos theory and emergent gameplay offers. |
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Richard Desturned wrote:keep handwaving it's not like you're regurgitating the same drivel on and on despite everyone who actually Plays The Game telling you why You Are Wrong
Because the 81 likes on the Op mean nothing and the duo of pussies from Goonswarm and the occasional alt poster represent everyone. Oh yeah, stealth bump. |
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Selissa Shadoe wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:But don't you worry my killers aren't going to let up. I'll be logged in 23/7 for the duration of us hunting you. Welcome to EVE offline. .. and the griefer's mindset is revealed.
And the intelligence of the candyass is revealed right here. It doesn't realize the only way to actually kill a target with local chat available against its will is by numbing the target to ones presence and catching it off guard. Sadly the game isn't worth 15 bucks a month to have to camp at this level for a targeted kill. Losing training time is for my corp and im sure others no longer the percieved loss it once was. |
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Ganked in war. That right there folks is why EVE online will always be a niche game. It requires to much time to do anything worthwhile and when you try and improve the system you get asked about a gank in war. Is war one on one Zim? No? Then who in the hell cares?
Why i'm answering you at this point is beyond me, but Zim the answer is exactly how they do now.
It's almost like your notion of balance revolves around being able to avoid death in all situations including bad situations . |
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Sofia Wolf wrote:Not only do I agree with OP but I think he does not go far enough. In addition of replacing all local with wormholes type delay local it also should no longer be possible to set people on contacts watch list without their approval. And there should be option to auto refuse all watch list requests.
I like the cut of your jib. Up vote. |
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I logged in today to play some EVE and then I realized how dreadfully dull camping is. I tried to convince myself its hardcore in spite of the camping but then I realized local is gaycore. So another day of diablo 3. Also bump because exposing Goonswarms Poonswarm division is fun as well. We see you Zim and Richard, you candyass Goon imposters. |
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Goremageddon Box wrote:this thread, i would dislike it if i could.
not even for the fact that i dont want local removed (which i dont really care either way)
but because the argument being given is really poor.
Very poor.
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Ganthrithor wrote:I just want to say that I have no idea what this thread is actually about, but it pleases me greatly to find this command to grow durable genitalia embedded on the front page of this subforum every day.
The honor and civility of the great Goon Nation is legendary good sir. Fine upstanding gentlemen you guys are. A toast to Afgoonistan. God shed his grace on thee. |
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